September 11 2016 Area Authorizations discussion
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- Board Members
- Logan Pajunen
- Tracy Hoover
- James Lancaster
- Curt Gridley
- Christian Kindle
- Dominic Canare (arrived after start)
- Members
- Tom McGuire
- Jeff Eck
- Jeremiah Burian
- Mike Barushok
- Mike Hutton
- Brad Ruder
- Matthew Lewis Warren (left early)
- Rustin Atkeisson
Christian K.'s Notes
- Frequency/scope of safety classes
- Minimize the time/detail of safety classes
- Cover basic safety for that area
- Time limited target (2 hours?)
- Open up to more instructors
- Teach skills in separate classes
- Some feel that the safety class does not give people ability to use equipment
- Maybe this is fine if we have more skills classes?
- If only one person is teaching classes it is too easy for them to fall off
- Safety classes that cover multiple pieces of equipment (wood/metalshop) do not have the scope to cover how to use each piece of equipment.
- Safety vs. authorization vs. skills (hands-on)
- Skills classes can be paid classes
- Classes tend to shut down the use of the machine for other members
- Break down shop classes into basic and advanced to reduce scope of classes
- Distribute workload between specialists
- Safety classes should be frequent and restricted in scope
- Keep classes on calendar for new members
- Need to set guidelines, current system isn’t working well
- Trying to teach too much at one time
- Authorization/Instruction have been seemingly coupled, but shouldn’t be
- Authorization is free given necessary skills
- Instruction can be charged for
- Need some well defined standard that needs to be met to be authorized
- Is an authorized member able to directly instruct an unauthorized member to help them pass the authorization without class?
- Must be member with signed waiver on file, done with orientation, etc.
- Minimize the time/detail of safety classes
- Documentation/Advertising
- Access policies need to be kept up to date
- Machines requiring authorization should be labeled clearly
- Some areas have no policies defined
- Machines that require additional skill to operate need to be documented
- Metalshop: mill, lathe, tormach, etc.
- Woodshop: lathe, ShopBot
- Emphasize that membership gives access to equipment that members are ABLE/AUTHORIZED to use
- Having a key doesn’t mean you can use anything you want
- Protection of operators and equipment
- Policies should address personal safety and equipment damage risks
- Personal safety should be prioritized
- Can we really ensure that everyone uses the shop safely?
- Don’t have the ability to enforce
- To an extent have to trust people to follow the rules
- Issues
- Communicate expectations to area leadership
- Growth of space and equipment has caused our authorizations to lag behind
- Differing attitudes towards safety
- Some may be less willing to conform
- People with experience in the area may be disgruntled at having to take basic classes
- This shared shop is a different situation than a private shop, everyone needs to conform and learn to use safely in a collaborative environment
- Authorization/Safety enforcement
- Lock down access to certain machines with key?
- Some people may not be aware or care about the authorization
- What is a Wiki?
- No good way for members to keep each other accountable.
- Directory?
- We can never have enough rules to make everyone use equipment safely
- Repercussions for being unsafe/abusing equipment
- Area leadership has the right to revoke access
- Sharing responsibility
- Have thorough documentation for instructors to use
- Have well-defined requirements for classes/instructors
- Require area leadership to have published steps to becoming an approved authorizer
- Videos of instruction?
- Increase area leadership
- Too many cooks spoil the broth?
- Dictator title seems problematic
- We are being harmed more by not having classes than by charging for authorization classes
- New equipment
- How do people get authorized?
- If a safety class covers all equipment in shop, are you authorized for any new equipment in an area?
- This shouldn’t be the case
- Summary
- De-couple authorizations from classes
- Communicate this clearly
- Have a path to become authorized without the class
- Completion of class doesn’t necessarily authorize you
- Break up big shop areas to make classes more manageable
- Distribute workload by defining path to become an approved authorizer
- Set by area leadership
- Set classes and get them on the calendar to set member expectations
- Clearly define terms used
- Authorization
- Instruction
- We don’t have the resources to police everything; need to communicate expectations to members
- De-couple authorizations from classes
Mike B.’s notes
- Are we upfront with new prospects about access policies
- Content not comprehensive
- Classes not offered often enough and/or last too long
- 2 hours or less
- always one on calendar
- Access policies not aligned with authorization training / or not all approved
- Training material / subject matter not available in writing
- Safety of equipment vs personal safety
- NFC key restriction not ready to implement
- List of authorized persons not reliably public (on wiki)
- Need more people doing authorizations
- Wiki have list of people that can authorize
- Each machine have key safety points on signage
- Recording or transcript of safety classes
- More hands on training after safety classes
- Divide by equipment type instead of by area, or by individual machine
- Video training followed by skill demonstration for authorizing trainers
- Budget revision methodology/schedule
- Pay instructors,
- Excess discretion given to BD's,
- No mechanism for retraining on newly acquired equipment
- http://makeict.org/wiki/Standing_rules#Guests still calls for "certification"