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− | Members in attendance | + | == Members in attendance == |
+ | * Board Members | ||
+ | ** Logan Pajunen | ||
+ | ** Tracy Hoover | ||
+ | ** James Lancaster | ||
+ | ** Curt Gridley | ||
+ | ** Christian Kindle | ||
+ | ** Dominic Canare (arrived after start) | ||
− | * | + | * Members |
+ | ** Tom McGuire | ||
+ | ** Jeff Eck | ||
+ | ** Jeremiah Burian | ||
+ | ** Mike Barushok | ||
+ | ** Mike Hutton | ||
+ | ** Brad Ruder | ||
+ | ** Matthew Lewis Warren (left early) | ||
+ | ** Rustin Atkeisson | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | == Christian K.'s Notes == | ||
+ | * Frequency/scope of safety classes | ||
+ | ** Minimize the time/detail of safety classes | ||
+ | *** Cover basic safety for that area | ||
+ | *** Time limited target (2 hours?) | ||
+ | ** Open up to more instructors | ||
+ | ** Teach skills in separate classes | ||
+ | ** Some feel that the safety class does not give people ability to use equipment | ||
+ | *** Maybe this is fine if we have more skills classes? | ||
+ | ** If only one person is teaching classes it is too easy for them to fall off | ||
+ | ** Safety classes that cover multiple pieces of equipment (wood/metalshop) do not have the scope to cover how to use each piece of equipment. | ||
+ | ** Safety vs. authorization vs. skills (hands-on) | ||
+ | *** Skills classes can be paid classes | ||
+ | ** Classes tend to shut down the use of the machine for other members | ||
+ | ** Break down shop classes into basic and advanced to reduce scope of classes | ||
+ | *** Distribute workload between specialists | ||
+ | ** Safety classes should be frequent and restricted in scope | ||
+ | *** Keep classes on calendar for new members | ||
+ | *** Need to set guidelines, current system isn’t working well | ||
+ | ** Trying to teach too much at one time | ||
+ | ** Authorization/Instruction have been seemingly coupled, but shouldn’t be | ||
+ | *** Authorization is free given necessary skills | ||
+ | *** Instruction can be charged for | ||
+ | *** Need some well defined standard that needs to be met to be authorized | ||
+ | *** Is an authorized member able to directly instruct an unauthorized member to help them pass the authorization without class? | ||
+ | **** Must be member with signed waiver on file, done with orientation, etc. | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Documentation/Advertising | ||
+ | ** Access policies need to be kept up to date | ||
+ | ** Machines requiring authorization should be labeled clearly | ||
+ | ** Some areas have no policies defined | ||
+ | ** Machines that require additional skill to operate need to be documented | ||
+ | *** Metalshop: mill, lathe, tormach, etc. | ||
+ | *** Woodshop: lathe, ShopBot | ||
+ | ** Emphasize that membership gives access to equipment that members are ABLE/AUTHORIZED to use | ||
+ | *** Having a key doesn’t mean you can use anything you want | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Protection of operators and equipment | ||
+ | ** Policies should address personal safety and equipment damage risks | ||
+ | ** Personal safety should be prioritized | ||
+ | ** Can we really ensure that everyone uses the shop safely? | ||
+ | *** Don’t have the ability to enforce | ||
+ | *** To an extent have to trust people to follow the rules | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Issues | ||
+ | ** Communicate expectations to area leadership | ||
+ | ** Growth of space and equipment has caused our authorizations to lag behind | ||
+ | ** Differing attitudes towards safety | ||
+ | *** Some may be less willing to conform | ||
+ | *** People with experience in the area may be disgruntled at having to take basic classes | ||
+ | **** This shared shop is a different situation than a private shop, everyone needs to conform and learn to use safely in a collaborative environment | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Authorization/Safety enforcement | ||
+ | ** Lock down access to certain machines with key? | ||
+ | ** Some people may not be aware or care about the authorization | ||
+ | *** What is a Wiki? | ||
+ | ** No good way for members to keep each other accountable. | ||
+ | *** Directory? | ||
+ | ** We can never have enough rules to make everyone use equipment safely | ||
+ | ** Repercussions for being unsafe/abusing equipment | ||
+ | *** Area leadership has the right to revoke access | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Sharing responsibility | ||
+ | ** Have thorough documentation for instructors to use | ||
+ | ** Have well-defined requirements for classes/instructors | ||
+ | *** Require area leadership to have published steps to becoming an approved authorizer | ||
+ | ** Videos of instruction? | ||
+ | ** Increase area leadership | ||
+ | *** Too many cooks spoil the broth? | ||
+ | *** Dictator title seems problematic | ||
+ | ** We are being harmed more by not having classes than by charging for authorization classes | ||
+ | |||
+ | * New equipment | ||
+ | ** How do people get authorized? | ||
+ | ** If a safety class covers all equipment in shop, are you authorized for any new equipment in an area? | ||
+ | *** This shouldn’t be the case | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Summary | ||
+ | ** De-couple authorizations from classes | ||
+ | *** Communicate this clearly | ||
+ | *** Have a path to become authorized without the class | ||
+ | *** Completion of class doesn’t necessarily authorize you | ||
+ | ** Break up big shop areas to make classes more manageable | ||
+ | ** Distribute workload by defining path to become an approved authorizer | ||
+ | *** Set by area leadership | ||
+ | ** Set classes and get them on the calendar to set member expectations | ||
+ | ** Clearly define terms used | ||
+ | *** Authorization | ||
+ | *** Instruction | ||
+ | ** We don’t have the resources to police everything; need to communicate expectations to members | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | == Mike B.’s notes == | ||
+ | * Are we upfront with new prospects about access policies | ||
+ | * Content not comprehensive | ||
+ | * Classes not offered often enough and/or last too long | ||
+ | ** 2 hours or less | ||
+ | ** always one on calendar | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Access policies not aligned with authorization training / or not all approved | ||
+ | * Training material / subject matter not available in writing | ||
+ | * Safety of equipment vs personal safety | ||
+ | * NFC key restriction not ready to implement | ||
+ | * List of authorized persons not reliably public (on wiki) | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Need more people doing authorizations | ||
+ | * Wiki have list of people that can authorize | ||
+ | * Each machine have key safety points on signage | ||
+ | * Recording or transcript of safety classes | ||
+ | * More hands on training after safety classes | ||
+ | * Divide by equipment type instead of by area, or by individual machine | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Video training followed by skill demonstration for authorizing trainers | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Budget revision methodology/schedule | ||
+ | * Pay instructors, | ||
+ | * Excess discretion given to BD's, | ||
+ | |||
+ | * No mechanism for retraining on newly acquired equipment | ||
+ | |||
+ | * http://makeict.org/wiki/Standing_rules#Guests still calls for "certification" | ||
+ | |||
+ | * http://fusemakerspace.org/about-us/policies/ |
Latest revision as of 19:50, 18 December 2016
Members in attendance
- Board Members
- Logan Pajunen
- Tracy Hoover
- James Lancaster
- Curt Gridley
- Christian Kindle
- Dominic Canare (arrived after start)
- Members
- Tom McGuire
- Jeff Eck
- Jeremiah Burian
- Mike Barushok
- Mike Hutton
- Brad Ruder
- Matthew Lewis Warren (left early)
- Rustin Atkeisson
Christian K.'s Notes
- Frequency/scope of safety classes
- Minimize the time/detail of safety classes
- Cover basic safety for that area
- Time limited target (2 hours?)
- Open up to more instructors
- Teach skills in separate classes
- Some feel that the safety class does not give people ability to use equipment
- Maybe this is fine if we have more skills classes?
- If only one person is teaching classes it is too easy for them to fall off
- Safety classes that cover multiple pieces of equipment (wood/metalshop) do not have the scope to cover how to use each piece of equipment.
- Safety vs. authorization vs. skills (hands-on)
- Skills classes can be paid classes
- Classes tend to shut down the use of the machine for other members
- Break down shop classes into basic and advanced to reduce scope of classes
- Distribute workload between specialists
- Safety classes should be frequent and restricted in scope
- Keep classes on calendar for new members
- Need to set guidelines, current system isn’t working well
- Trying to teach too much at one time
- Authorization/Instruction have been seemingly coupled, but shouldn’t be
- Authorization is free given necessary skills
- Instruction can be charged for
- Need some well defined standard that needs to be met to be authorized
- Is an authorized member able to directly instruct an unauthorized member to help them pass the authorization without class?
- Must be member with signed waiver on file, done with orientation, etc.
- Minimize the time/detail of safety classes
- Documentation/Advertising
- Access policies need to be kept up to date
- Machines requiring authorization should be labeled clearly
- Some areas have no policies defined
- Machines that require additional skill to operate need to be documented
- Metalshop: mill, lathe, tormach, etc.
- Woodshop: lathe, ShopBot
- Emphasize that membership gives access to equipment that members are ABLE/AUTHORIZED to use
- Having a key doesn’t mean you can use anything you want
- Protection of operators and equipment
- Policies should address personal safety and equipment damage risks
- Personal safety should be prioritized
- Can we really ensure that everyone uses the shop safely?
- Don’t have the ability to enforce
- To an extent have to trust people to follow the rules
- Issues
- Communicate expectations to area leadership
- Growth of space and equipment has caused our authorizations to lag behind
- Differing attitudes towards safety
- Some may be less willing to conform
- People with experience in the area may be disgruntled at having to take basic classes
- This shared shop is a different situation than a private shop, everyone needs to conform and learn to use safely in a collaborative environment
- Authorization/Safety enforcement
- Lock down access to certain machines with key?
- Some people may not be aware or care about the authorization
- What is a Wiki?
- No good way for members to keep each other accountable.
- Directory?
- We can never have enough rules to make everyone use equipment safely
- Repercussions for being unsafe/abusing equipment
- Area leadership has the right to revoke access
- Sharing responsibility
- Have thorough documentation for instructors to use
- Have well-defined requirements for classes/instructors
- Require area leadership to have published steps to becoming an approved authorizer
- Videos of instruction?
- Increase area leadership
- Too many cooks spoil the broth?
- Dictator title seems problematic
- We are being harmed more by not having classes than by charging for authorization classes
- New equipment
- How do people get authorized?
- If a safety class covers all equipment in shop, are you authorized for any new equipment in an area?
- This shouldn’t be the case
- Summary
- De-couple authorizations from classes
- Communicate this clearly
- Have a path to become authorized without the class
- Completion of class doesn’t necessarily authorize you
- Break up big shop areas to make classes more manageable
- Distribute workload by defining path to become an approved authorizer
- Set by area leadership
- Set classes and get them on the calendar to set member expectations
- Clearly define terms used
- Authorization
- Instruction
- We don’t have the resources to police everything; need to communicate expectations to members
- De-couple authorizations from classes
Mike B.’s notes
- Are we upfront with new prospects about access policies
- Content not comprehensive
- Classes not offered often enough and/or last too long
- 2 hours or less
- always one on calendar
- Access policies not aligned with authorization training / or not all approved
- Training material / subject matter not available in writing
- Safety of equipment vs personal safety
- NFC key restriction not ready to implement
- List of authorized persons not reliably public (on wiki)
- Need more people doing authorizations
- Wiki have list of people that can authorize
- Each machine have key safety points on signage
- Recording or transcript of safety classes
- More hands on training after safety classes
- Divide by equipment type instead of by area, or by individual machine
- Video training followed by skill demonstration for authorizing trainers
- Budget revision methodology/schedule
- Pay instructors,
- Excess discretion given to BD's,
- No mechanism for retraining on newly acquired equipment
- http://makeict.org/wiki/Standing_rules#Guests still calls for "certification"